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Atheist convention a massive YAWN - ignored by the media
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fasgnadh
2010-03-14 08:08:16 UTC
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"watcha doin' Richard?"

"Not believing in sumthin!"

"that's it? you flew halfway round the world for that?"

"yup"

"nothing left to say"

....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

the sound of a pathetic < 2500 atheists boring each other at what
THEY claim is the BIGGEST Atheist convention ever!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

Less than Twenty five hundred attendees!!!

That's less people than turn up to just ONE Sydney Church,
Hillsong, on a Sunday B^)

So much for the worldwide 'cause' of not believing in something or other!!!

I searched the media for some sign of something relevant to
the modern world coming out of this festival of self-indulgence
...but there was nothing..

Atheism is an empty pass-time for people who lack the intellectual
rigor to develop a genuine philosophy, or even a meaningful
world view! B^]


The only thing the BBC had to say about this pathetic and irrelevant
gathering of sad sacks was that it happened and was smaller than the
Parliament of World Religions, held in the same city last year! B^D


"Atheists meet in Melbourne to celebrate lack of faith"

Can you imagine any other group of grown adults meeting
to celebrate what they DON'T believe in!? B^D

The annual 'Life on Mars' Society B^D

A gathering of Dodo Breeders! B^D

'Raising Live dinosaurs' by A. Fossil! B^]

"Melbourne attracted more believers to a convention last year"

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA

"More than 2,000 atheists from around the world are gathering in
Melbourne, Australia, to celebrate their lack of religious belief."

More than 2000??? They were only expecting 2500
...and they didn't even get that!!!!!

"It is thought to be the world's largest gathering of atheist thinkers."

next time they should get a bigger phone booth! B^p

"They plan to issue a statement on what they say are the
negative effects of religion on society."

The entire international atheist community meets and all they
have to offer the world, beset with problems, is to WHINE about
those who provide schools, hospitals and countless charities!

Wot a pack of USELESS WANKERS!!! they are a JOKE! B^D

"All 2,500 tickets were sold out earlier this year, but
a religious gathering at the same venue in December
attracted three times as many delegates."

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA


"There is a determination to avoid what one session calls Atheistic
Fundamentalism, says our correspondent."

B^D too bloody LATE! alt.atheism is full of violent, sick
atheist psychopaths who vent their jealous hatred of the religions
who provide development projects, women's shelters, soup Kitchens,
aid to refugees and the mentally ill..schools and hospitals

eg, here is their leader.. they call him "Warlord";

# From: Steve Knight <***@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE

# From: Steve Knight <***@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA


No wonder the atheist's convention-in-a-shoe-box is concerned
about the hate filled, sociopaths and thugs in their midst,
especially as the world has seen the terror, torture and mass
murder which characterised EVERY atheist state ever to exist;
The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's
Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards, Pol Pots Cambodian
Genocide and the only surviving atheist tyranny, Kim ill Suk's
North Korean Wonderland! B^p


"Participants will be urged to avoid "missionary zeal" in their
determination to promote their non-religious message to the world."

The sort of zeal which saw over 70,000,000 men women and children
killed in the atheist tyrannies of last century...

No wonder their current membership is so tiny, and irrelevant..
the reputation of atheism is despair, death and destruction on
an unimaginable scale.

# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
Loading Image...

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
Loading Image...
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
--
alt.atheism FAQ:

http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/


http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source




"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

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Don H
2010-03-14 19:42:30 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
"watcha doin' Richard?"
"Not believing in sumthin!"
"that's it? you flew halfway round the world for that?"
"yup"
"nothing left to say"
....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
the sound of a pathetic < 2500 atheists boring each other at what
THEY claim is the BIGGEST Atheist convention ever!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
Less than Twenty five hundred attendees!!!
That's less people than turn up to just ONE Sydney Church,
Hillsong, on a Sunday B^)
So much for the worldwide 'cause' of not believing in something or other!!!
I searched the media for some sign of something relevant to
the modern world coming out of this festival of self-indulgence
...but there was nothing..
Atheism is an empty pass-time for people who lack the intellectual
rigor to develop a genuine philosophy, or even a meaningful
world view! B^]
The only thing the BBC had to say about this pathetic and irrelevant
gathering of sad sacks was that it happened and was smaller than the
Parliament of World Religions, held in the same city last year! B^D
"Atheists meet in Melbourne to celebrate lack of faith"
Can you imagine any other group of grown adults meeting
to celebrate what they DON'T believe in!? B^D
The annual 'Life on Mars' Society B^D
A gathering of Dodo Breeders! B^D
'Raising Live dinosaurs' by A. Fossil! B^]
"Melbourne attracted more believers to a convention last year"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
"More than 2,000 atheists from around the world are gathering in
Melbourne, Australia, to celebrate their lack of religious belief."
More than 2000??? They were only expecting 2500
...and they didn't even get that!!!!!
"It is thought to be the world's largest gathering of atheist thinkers."
next time they should get a bigger phone booth! B^p
"They plan to issue a statement on what they say are the
negative effects of religion on society."
The entire international atheist community meets and all they
have to offer the world, beset with problems, is to WHINE about
those who provide schools, hospitals and countless charities!
Wot a pack of USELESS WANKERS!!! they are a JOKE! B^D
"All 2,500 tickets were sold out earlier this year, but
a religious gathering at the same venue in December
attracted three times as many delegates."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
"There is a determination to avoid what one session calls Atheistic
Fundamentalism, says our correspondent."
B^D too bloody LATE! alt.atheism is full of violent, sick
atheist psychopaths who vent their jealous hatred of the religions
who provide development projects, women's shelters, soup Kitchens,
aid to refugees and the mentally ill..schools and hospitals
eg, here is their leader.. they call him "Warlord";
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
No wonder the atheist's convention-in-a-shoe-box is concerned
about the hate filled, sociopaths and thugs in their midst,
especially as the world has seen the terror, torture and mass
murder which characterised EVERY atheist state ever to exist;
The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's
Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards, Pol Pots Cambodian
Genocide and the only surviving atheist tyranny, Kim ill Suk's
North Korean Wonderland! B^p
"Participants will be urged to avoid "missionary zeal" in their
determination to promote their non-religious message to the world."
The sort of zeal which saw over 70,000,000 men women and children
killed in the atheist tyrannies of last century...
No wonder their current membership is so tiny, and irrelevant..
the reputation of atheism is despair, death and destruction on
an unimaginable scale.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
Post by fasgnadh
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
Post by fasgnadh
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
--
http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl=en&dmode=source
Post by fasgnadh
"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg

# Meanwhile, Wars of Religion rage around the world - not much yawning
there.
A local clergyman mildly complained about possible "aggressive atheism" -
what? a reign of terror with a balloon on a stick (as the Two Ronnies would
put it).
Yes, the Eternal Life Insurance (ELI) industry might have cause for
concern; if God & Son are never in the Office, then Executive, Prospectus,
and maturing of Policy (at Death) all become suspect.
But, not to worry, self-preservation is our strongest instinct,
extrapolated into desire for Eternal Life, so Churches will always have
customers.
Atheism, under various names, has been around for years.
The Rationalists have a long history, and many members are persons of
substance and probity, from the UK's RPA (Rationalist Press Association) to
local, and international, chapters.
The Humanists also; as too, the Freethinking Secularists (NSS in UK).
None of these bodies have the word atheism in their title or manifesto,
except by implication - so much obloquy attached to it. Yet the bold and
the brave said "why mess about", and formed actual Atheist groups.
Atheism may be the common denominator, but Rationalists will believe
only on reason and evidence (not dogma); Freethinkers defy Authority; and
Humanists will not sacrifice the human for clerical dictat - "better that
flesh burn, than the immortal soul should perish" (and similar nonsense).
"fasgnadh" has made much of the evils of Communism with its
Marxist-Leninist creed, and other religious characteristics. He can't do so
in this case.
The Church puts Man at centre of the universe, which cosmos, with all
its redundancy, was created solely for our benefit - by a long process of
trial-and-error.
While Evolutionists may put Man atop an evolutionary tree, it is more
likely that we are the Mad Ape, and a temporary, aberrant, off-shoot.
That Atheists have come to believe ONLY what their five senses
indicate, and that the Scientific Method is the best way of finding truth -
it would need a mad ape to come full circle (due to our disproportionate
brain), to discover what Other Animals knew all along. But then such Beasts
can't formulate it; that's the only difference.
Homo Sapiens probably hasn't long to go, before decimation and
extinction. Then, points of religious, and anti-religious, doctrine, will
expire with us.
As for God, a mental figment; he goes too.
fasgnadh
2010-03-25 13:33:46 UTC
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Post by fasgnadh
Post by fasgnadh
"watcha doin' Richard?"
"Not believing in sumthin!"
"that's it? you flew halfway round the world for that?"
"yup"
"nothing left to say"
....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
the sound of a pathetic < 2500 atheists boring each other at what
THEY claim is the BIGGEST Atheist convention ever!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
Less than Twenty five hundred attendees!!!
That's less people than turn up to just ONE Sydney Church,
Hillsong, on a Sunday B^)
So much for the worldwide 'cause' of not believing in something or
other!!!
Post by fasgnadh
I searched the media for some sign of something relevant to
the modern world coming out of this festival of self-indulgence
...but there was nothing..
Atheism is an empty pass-time for people who lack the intellectual
rigor to develop a genuine philosophy, or even a meaningful
world view! B^]
The only thing the BBC had to say about this pathetic and irrelevant
gathering of sad sacks was that it happened and was smaller than the
Parliament of World Religions, held in the same city last year! B^D
"Atheists meet in Melbourne to celebrate lack of faith"
Can you imagine any other group of grown adults meeting
to celebrate what they DON'T believe in!? B^D
The annual 'Life on Mars' Society B^D
A gathering of Dodo Breeders! B^D
'Raising Live dinosaurs' by A. Fossil! B^]
"Melbourne attracted more believers to a convention last year"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
"More than 2,000 atheists from around the world are gathering in
Melbourne, Australia, to celebrate their lack of religious belief."
More than 2000??? They were only expecting 2500
...and they didn't even get that!!!!!
"It is thought to be the world's largest gathering of atheist thinkers."
next time they should get a bigger phone booth! B^p
"They plan to issue a statement on what they say are the
negative effects of religion on society."
The entire international atheist community meets and all they
have to offer the world, beset with problems, is to WHINE about
those who provide schools, hospitals and countless charities!
Wot a pack of USELESS WANKERS!!! they are a JOKE! B^D
"All 2,500 tickets were sold out earlier this year, but
a religious gathering at the same venue in December
attracted three times as many delegates."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
"There is a determination to avoid what one session calls Atheistic
Fundamentalism, says our correspondent."
B^D too bloody LATE! alt.atheism is full of violent, sick
atheist psychopaths who vent their jealous hatred of the religions
who provide development projects, women's shelters, soup Kitchens,
aid to refugees and the mentally ill..schools and hospitals
eg, here is their leader.. they call him "Warlord";
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
No wonder the atheist's convention-in-a-shoe-box is concerned
about the hate filled, sociopaths and thugs in their midst,
especially as the world has seen the terror, torture and mass
murder which characterised EVERY atheist state ever to exist;
The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's
Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards, Pol Pots Cambodian
Genocide and the only surviving atheist tyranny, Kim ill Suk's
North Korean Wonderland! B^p
"Participants will be urged to avoid "missionary zeal" in their
determination to promote their non-religious message to the world."
The sort of zeal which saw over 70,000,000 men women and children
killed in the atheist tyrannies of last century...
No wonder their current membership is so tiny, and irrelevant..
the reputation of atheism is despair, death and destruction on
an unimaginable scale.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
Post by fasgnadh
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
Post by fasgnadh
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
--
# Meanwhile, Wars of Religion rage around the world
No they dont.

Christians Muslims and Jews all live peacefully together in Australia,
as they do in Europe and the United states.

The major conflicts are, as they always have been, about nationalism and
resources.. and none of the current ones match the death toll
of the Atheist holocausts of the 20th century.. over 70,000,000 dead!!!
Post by fasgnadh
- not much yawning there.
No, in the Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression, Mao's Great Leap
Backward and Cultural Devolution and Pol Pot's Cambodian genocide, every
one of them an ATHEIST tyranny, there was misery, despair and death.
Post by fasgnadh
A local clergyman mildly complained about possible "aggressive atheism" -
what? a reign of terror
absolutely:


# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# - "Protest for Religious Rights in the USSR:
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# "An atheist, Pol Pot suppressed Cambodia’s Buddhist religion:
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
# The Cambodian Genocide:
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg

#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.

# From: Steve Knight <***@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA

Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE

# From: Steve Knight <***@cox.net>
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Message-ID: <***@4ax.com>
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
# <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA


And what action do gutless atheist hypocrites take when confronted with
the same psychopathic violence with which every atheist state was
tainted? Craven acquiesence, gutless passivity and embracing the
violent thugs as your 'Warlord'?
Post by fasgnadh
with a balloon on a stick (as the Two Ronnies would
put it).
gutless cowards!
Post by fasgnadh
Yes
self-preservation is our strongest instinct,
That explains why you all choose to live in tolerant, open,
democratic, free MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies rather than piss off to
the last remaining atheist shithole... Nth Korea! B^p
Post by fasgnadh
Churches will always have customers.
Whereas the atheist experiment FAILED in EVERY atheist state!!!!!!!!!
Post by fasgnadh
Atheism, under various names, has been around for years.
And left not a SINGLE worthwhile, functioning state, let alone
a great and enduring civilisation, (as Christianity, Islam, Hinduism,
Buddhism, etc did! B^)
Post by fasgnadh
The Rationalists have a long history,
The Humanists also; as too, the Freethinking Secularists (NSS in UK).
None of these bodies have the word atheism in their title or manifesto,
No one wants to be associated with atheism! especially us agnostics who
the Atheists falsely claim are atheists when we CLEARLY and deliberately
distance ourselves from you extremists.

As the ARIS Data Showed:

# Subject: Re: US religious now at 85% - It's GOD in a LANDSLIDE!!!
# -Atheists wallow at 2.3% worldwide, 0.7% in the USA! -a pitiful
# fraction of the minority of non-believers! B^D
#
# From: fasgnadh <***@yahoo.com.au>
# Newsgroups:
# alt.atheism,aus.religion,alt.religion,aus.politics,
# alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats,uk.politics.misc
# Message-ID: <8QNtl.26734$***@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
# Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:07:32 GMT
#
# American Religious Identification Survey, Summary Report March 2009:
#
# "Self-identification of U.S. Adult Population by Religious Tradition
#
# 2001 2008
#
# Non- religious 29,481,000 (14.1%) 34,169,000 (15%)
#
# Religious 167,254,000 (80%) 182,198,000 (80%)
#
# Agnostics 991,000 (0.5%) 1,985,000 (0.9%)
#
# Atheists 902,000 (0.4%) 1,621,000 (0.7%)
#
#
#
# BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA!
#
#
# 0.7% of Americans!! B^D 2.3% worldwide!!! B^D
#
# 'NON-RELIGIOUS' DOES NOT = ATHEIST, YOU DISHONEST CRETINS!
#
#
# EVEN THE AGNOSTICS BEAT YOU!!! **AND** they grew FASTER!!!! B^D


Atheists are a mere4% of non-believers

96% of non-believers reject atheism!!!! B^D

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/aris030609.pdf
Post by fasgnadh
"fasgnadh" has made much of the evils of Communism with its
Marxist-Leninist
commitment to atheism.. EVERY member of the RULING Party was an
atheist, not just Lenin and Stalin;


"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest


"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest

http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
Post by fasgnadh
The Church puts Man at centre of the universe,
No it doesn't, you ignoramus.. it puts God at the centre!

Those atheist regimes which arrogantly claimed Man is the measure of all
things were CATASTROPHIC failures.
Post by fasgnadh
which cosmos, with all
its redundancy, was created solely for our benefit - by a long process of
trial-and-error.
Pathetic claptrap!

Science explains the Big Bang theory (developed by a Catholic priest!B^)
Post by fasgnadh
While Evolutionists may put Man atop an evolutionary tree,
developed by Darwin, a churchgoer all his life! B^D
Post by fasgnadh
That Atheists have come to believe ONLY what their five senses
indicate,
that explains why they ignore REASON, THOUGHT and Love! B^D
Post by fasgnadh
anti-religious, doctrine, will expire with us.
Bye! B^D
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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest

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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
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http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest

http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
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"watcha doin' Richard?"
"Not believing in sumthin!"
"that's it? you flew halfway round the world for that?"
"yup"
"nothing left to say"
....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
the sound of a pathetic < 2500 atheists boring each other at what
THEY claim is the BIGGEST Atheist convention ever!
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
Less than Twenty five hundred attendees!!!
That's less people than turn up to just ONE Sydney Church,
Hillsong, on a Sunday B^)
So much for the worldwide 'cause' of not believing in something or other!!!
I searched the media for some sign of something relevant to
the modern world coming out of this festival of self-indulgence
...but there was nothing..
Atheism is an empty pass-time for people who lack the intellectual
rigor to develop a genuine philosophy, or even a meaningful
world view! B^]
The only thing the BBC had to say about this pathetic and irrelevant
gathering of sad sacks was that it happened and was smaller than the
Parliament of World Religions, held in the same city last year! B^D
"Atheists meet in Melbourne to celebrate lack of faith"
Can you imagine any other group of grown adults meeting
to celebrate what they DON'T believe in!? B^D
The annual 'Life on Mars' Society B^D
A gathering of Dodo Breeders! B^D
'Raising Live dinosaurs' by A. Fossil! B^]
"Melbourne attracted more believers to a convention last year"
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAA
"More than 2,000 atheists from around the world are gathering in
Melbourne, Australia, to celebrate their lack of religious belief."
More than 2000??? They were only expecting 2500
...and they didn't even get that!!!!!
"It is thought to be the world's largest gathering of atheist thinkers."
next time they should get a bigger phone booth! B^p
"They plan to issue a statement on what they say are the
negative effects of religion on society."
The entire international atheist community meets and all they
have to offer the world, beset with problems, is to WHINE about
those who provide schools, hospitals and countless charities!
Wot a pack of USELESS WANKERS!!! they are a JOKE! B^D
"All 2,500 tickets were sold out earlier this year, but
a religious gathering at the same venue in December
attracted three times as many delegates."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA
"There is a determination to avoid what one session calls Atheistic
Fundamentalism, says our correspondent."
B^D too bloody LATE! alt.atheism is full of violent, sick
atheist psychopaths who vent their jealous hatred of the religions
who provide development projects, women's shelters, soup Kitchens,
aid to refugees and the mentally ill..schools and hospitals
eg, here is their leader.. they call him "Warlord";
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism
# Subject: A.A. BAAWA - FAQ
# Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:46:34 -0700
#
# We kill theists and shit down their throats and
# not in a girly way.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
Not satisfied with murder, Steve favours GENOCIDE
# Newsgroups: alt.atheism,alt.religion.islam
# Subject: Re: Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
# Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:58:18 -0800
#
# On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:22:32 +0200, "Katrina"
#
# >Islam: the perfect religion and way of life for all
#
# It is the most foul, disgusting filth on Earth.
# The sooner we nuke you fuckers, the better.
#
# Warlord Steve
# BAAWA
No wonder the atheist's convention-in-a-shoe-box is concerned
about the hate filled, sociopaths and thugs in their midst,
especially as the world has seen the terror, torture and mass
murder which characterised EVERY atheist state ever to exist;
The Union of Savage Slaughter and Repression (USSR), Mao's
Cultural Devolution and Great Leap Backwards, Pol Pots Cambodian
Genocide and the only surviving atheist tyranny, Kim ill Suk's
North Korean Wonderland! B^p
"Participants will be urged to avoid "missionary zeal" in their
determination to promote their non-religious message to the world."
The sort of zeal which saw over 70,000,000 men women and children
killed in the atheist tyrannies of last century...
No wonder their current membership is so tiny, and irrelevant..
the reputation of atheism is despair, death and destruction on
an unimaginable scale.
# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism#Wolak2004
#
# "State atheism is the official promotion of atheism
# by a government, typically by active suppression of
# religious freedom and practice."
# Characteristics and Consequences,
# David Kowalewski,
# Russian Review, Vol. 39, No. 4 (Oct., 1980), pp. 426-441,
#
#
# monks were defrocked; temples and artifacts, including statues of
# Buddha, were destroyed; and people praying or expressing
# other religious sentiments were often killed.
# ...the government emptied the cities through mass evacuations
# and sent people to the countryside. Cambodians were overworked
# and underfed on collective farms, often succumbing to disease or
# starvation as a result. Spouses were separated and family meals
# prohibited in order to steer loyalties toward the state
# instead of the family.
#
# About 1.7 million Cambodians, or about 20 percent of the population,
# were worked, starved, or beaten to death under Pol Pot’s regime."
# - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761579038/pol_pot.html
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/392millones.jpg
#
# "The country's 40,000 to 60,000 Buddhist monks,
# regarded by the regime as social parasites,
# were defrocked and forced into labor brigades.
# Many monks were executed; temples and pagodas were
# destroyed or turned into storehouses or jails.
# Images of the Buddha were defaced and dumped into
# rivers and lakes. People who were discovered praying
# or expressing religious sentiments in other ways
# were often killed.
#
# The Christian and Muslim communities were among the most
# persecuted, as well. The Roman Catholic cathedral of
# Phnom Penh was completely razed.
#
# The Khmer Rouge forced Muslims to eat pork, which they
# regard as an abomination. Many of those who refused were killed.
# Christian clergy and Muslim imams were executed."
# - http://countrystudies.us/cambodia/29.htm
#
# "Forty-eight percent of Cambodia's Christians were killed
# because of their religion."
#
http://www.lietuvos.net/istorija/communism/communism_photos2/44camboyano.jpg
#
#
# "the state established atheism as the only scientific truth."
# - Daniel Peris,
# "Storming the Heavens: The Soviet League of the Militant Godless"
# Cornell University Press 1998 ISBN 9780801434853
#
#
# "State atheism has been mostly implemented in communist
# countries, such as the former Soviet Union,[1] China,
# Communist Albania, Communist Afghanistan, North Korea,
# Communist Mongolia and Poland under communist rule also
# promoted state atheism and suppressed religion.
# - Forced out: the fate of Polish Jewry in Communist Poland.
# Wolak, Arthur J. p 104
#
# In these nations, the governments viewed atheism as an
# intrinsic part of communist ideology.
The Sydney Morning Herald found as little of interest from the
atheist convention to talk about as the BBC did!

So they wrote about how atheists are so mistrusted and unpopular
that ordinary Aussies just won't vote for them:


"IN RECENT years, to declare yourself an atheist has
seemed not just acceptable but even fashionable.
British evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins is a celebrity.
Books rejecting any evidence of a divine creator are best
sellers. And this weekend, Melbourne is hosting Australia's
first non-believers' conference.

But there is one place where atheism is not yet a subject
for polite conversation: politics.

The Sunday Age surveyed federal and state ministers and
shadow ministers to see who would own up to being non-believers.
Only three of 30 federal ministers confessed: Health Minister
Nicola Roxon, Defence Personnel Minister Greg Combet and
Financial Services Minister Chris Bowen.

A spokeswoman for Ms Roxon said ''her father was Jewish,
her mother was Church of England and she went to a Methodist
high school''.

Unbelievable! She is educated by religious in one of the best
schools in Melbourne, as has no gratitude whatsoever!!!

Why didn't she attend an ATHEIST school???

A: Because since the collapse of the atheist states like the USSR
and Maoist China where the FORCED INDOCTRINATION of children
with atheism was the norm.. atheism is tiny remnant of sad
tossers who couldn't muster the intellectual firepower to
RUN A SCHOOL! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAHAHAA

So these wankers attend RELIGIOUS schools, in free, open,
pluralist, democratic, MAJORITY RELIGIOUS societies like ours,
and then piss on the civilisation which sustains and protects and
raises them!!!!

pffffft!


"Of the shadow ministers, none identified themselves as atheist. By
contrast, the 2006 census found about 19 per cent of Australians have no
religion."

Most of those are not ATHEISTS, but the much larger, and more
rational group of agnostics, like myself, secular humanists,
freethinkers, and just don't care!

"Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner was the only open agnostic, which means
he is uncertain about the existence of God."

An entirely rational position, as the non-existence of God cannot
be proven, and the existence of God has not been conclusively
proven (although history provides much evidence to support it).

" Mr Tanner describes himself somewhat cryptically as an ''agnostic
Anglican''.


So one of the mere THREE is not an atheist, but a rational(agnostic)
theist!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA


"A further 15 government ministers declined to comment or refused to
respond, while 10 said they were Christian."

That's because atheism has a terrible and shameful history of
terror, torture and Mass Murder, and because atheists are so
mistrusted no one wants to be associated with them! 8^o

# http://www.asanet.org/cs/root/topnav/press/atheists_are_distrusted
#
# Atheists Identified as America’s Most Distrusted Minority,
# According to Sociological Study
#
# ASA NEWS May 3, 2006
#
# Washington, DC—American’s increasing acceptance of religious
# diversity does not extend to those who don’t believe in a god,
# according to a national survey by researchers in the University
# of Minnesota’s department of sociology. The study will appear
# in the April issue of the American Sociological Review.
#
# From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households,
# university researchers found that Americans rate atheists
# below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and
# other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.”
# Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least
# willing to allow their children to marry.
#
# Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized
# and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a
# threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the
# American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent
# of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule
# of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says
# Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s
# lead researcher.
#
# Edgell also argues that today’s atheists play the role that
# Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past—they
# offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society.
# “It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as
# long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make
# them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically
# been religious,” says Edgell. Many of the study’s respondents
# associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging
# from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.
#
# Edgell believes a fear of moral decline and resulting social
# disorder is behind the findings. “Americans believe they share
# more than rules and procedures with their fellow citizens—they
# share an understanding of right and wrong,” she said. “Our
# findings seem to rest on a view of atheists as self-interested
# individuals who are not concerned with the common good.”
#
#
# The study is co-authored by assistant professor Joseph Gerteis and
# associate professor Doug Hartmann. It’s the first in a series of
# national studies conducted the American Mosaic Project, a three-year
# project funded by the Minneapolis-based David Edelstein Family
# Foundation that looks at race, religion and cultural diversity in the
# contemporary United States.


Treasurer Wayne Swan is a ''non-practising Christian'',

Another non-atheist! B^D

Religion is regarded positively by the public:

"Clearly, it doesn't seem to be a problem if someone is openly
religious: almost every week, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is photographed
emerging from a church, and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott is a proud
Catholic.

Premier John Brumby said he ''believes in God''. One shadow cabinet
minister, who declined to be named, suggested perhaps Liberal leader Ted
Baillieu was a non-believer, a claim quickly denied by Mr Baillieu's
office - he's a Presbyterian."

B^D No one wants to be branded as an atheist! B^D

As for the rest of the shadow cabinet, it appears there is not an
atheist among them. Planning spokesman Matthew Guy said he was
''rolled-gold Presbyterian'' while racing spokesman Denis Napthine said
he was ''not a very good Catholic''.

''I would think that most politicians see themselves as having a
connection or background in one or the other of the major religions,''
Dr Napthine said, ''but most would probably not see themselves as being
particularly active in those religious pursuits.''

A mini-furore over religion erupted in State Parliament last week when,
in the upper house, opposition housing spokeswoman Wendy Lovell ad
libbed the Lord's Prayer, following the line ''deliver us from evil''
with ''and John Brumby'' (Ms Lovell, who was accused of disrespect,
describes herself as Christian).

The Greens are an eclectic bunch and don't mind discussing their
spirituality. Victorian MP Greg Barber, who says he is not really an
atheist because he has a love of Taoist texts


Amen."


B^D Atheists pretending to be relevant are funny!
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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
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http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest


"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin

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