How Not To Shoot a Revolver

This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.

How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )

rbowman

2013-06-10 03:40:04 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the wa

Firing a .357 in the dark can be educational.

RD Sandman

2013-06-10 17:18:17 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper one.
In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it for this very
reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits. See page 15.

http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Post by Dire_Wolf
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

Dire_Wolf

2013-06-11 08:20:47 UTC

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Frank

2013-06-11 12:59:02 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder might
come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned revolver a
little lead may be shaved and also come back. I was shooting a .357 one
day and a bit of lead came back and hit and caused a slight cut to the
thumb of the guy shooting to the left of me.

betweentheeyes

2013-06-11 13:39:29 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.
Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder
might come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned
revolver a little lead may be shaved and also come back. I was
shooting a .357 one day and a bit of lead came back and hit and
caused a slight cut to the thumb of the guy shooting to the left of
me.

I was instructing my wife at a local range and the 10mm from the the
guy next door went up over the partition and right down my wife's
cleavage. The brass was very hot.

She has since learned not to wear V neck to the range.

Frank

2013-06-11 16:33:24 UTC

Post by betweentheeyes

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

I was instructing my wife at a local range and the 10mm from the the
guy next door went up over the partition and right down my wife's
cleavage. The brass was very hot.
She has since learned not to wear V neck to the range.

Saw one like that on you tube ;)

RD Sandman

2013-06-11 20:56:09 UTC

Post by betweentheeyes

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

I was instructing my wife at a local range and the 10mm from the the
guy next door went up over the partition and right down my wife's
cleavage. The brass was very hot.
She has since learned not to wear V neck to the range.

I have seen that happen more than once. Interesting cleavage once you
get past the red marks, however. ;)

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

rbowman

2013-06-12 02:04:23 UTC

Post by betweentheeyes
I was instructing my wife at a local range and the 10mm from the the
guy next door went up over the partition and right down my wife's
cleavage. The brass was very hot.

Never in my non-existent cleavage but I've had hot brass in strange places.
It helps you to improve your focus.

RD Sandman

2013-06-11 20:55:17 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper
one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it for
this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits. See
page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder
might come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned
revolver a little lead may be shaved and also come back. I was
shooting a .357 one day and a bit of lead came back and hit and caused
a slight cut to the thumb of the guy shooting to the left of me.

Yep. In a standard revolver that is a timing problem where the cylinder
is not completely and accurately lined up with the barrel (forcing cone),
yet not far enough out of line to allow the primer to be missed. I had a
Rossi 720 in .44 Spl where the timing was off.....fortunately enough for
the firing pin to miss the primer. Whewww. Sent it to Rossi, got a
brand new one in a couple of weeks. Shot fine......

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

Johnny Johnson

2013-06-12 21:54:38 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder might
come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned revolver a
little lead may be shaved and also come back.

There is one revolver from which neither of these things can happen: the
Russian Nagant M1895 seven-shot, gas-seal revolver:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

Post by Frank
I was shooting a .357 one day and a bit of lead came back and hit and
caused a slight cut to the thumb of the guy shooting to the left of me.

RD Sandman

2013-06-12 23:11:13 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the
upper one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting
it for this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your
digits. See page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder
might come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned
revolver a little lead may be shaved and also come back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

When it worked. Rather complicated mechanism to seal the cylinder gap
and then move away to allow the cylinder to rotate and align the next
cartridge to be fired and then seal up again. I prefer simplicity which
is also why when I introduce someone to self defense weaponry I tend to
start them off with a 5 shot revolver. If they aren't willing to learn
the proper manual of arms for the semi auto they prefer, I tend to keep
them on revolvers. IMHO, they are a real PHD weapon.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

unknown

2013-06-13 01:07:20 UTC

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:54:38 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder might
come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned revolver a
little lead may be shaved and also come back.

There is one revolver from which neither of these things can happen: the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

Oh, that's gotta be easy to find ammo for...

Post by Frank
I was shooting a .357 one day and a bit of lead came back and hit and
caused a slight cut to the thumb of the guy shooting to the left of me.

Johnny Johnson

2013-06-13 01:51:44 UTC

Post by unknown
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:54:38 -0500, Johnny Johnson

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Hot gasses are not the only concern. Little bit of burning powder might
come back and hit you in the face. Also in a poorly tuned revolver a
little lead may be shaved and also come back.

There is one revolver from which neither of these things can happen: the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

Oh, that's gotta be easy to find ammo for...

7.62×38mmR (also known as 7.62 mm Nagant and Cartridge, Type R) is a unique
ammunition cartridge designed for use in the Russian Nagant M1895 revolver.

Commercially manufactured and loaded 7.62×38R cartridges are no longer
difficult to find. Fiocchi of Italy manufactures cartridges in this chambering;
they fire 6.4 g (98 gr) FMJ bullets at about 260 m/s (850 ft/s), which works
out to an energy of 213 J (157 ft·lbf)?comparable to a .32 ACP semi-automatic.
Prvi Partizan, a Serbian company, also produces a 7.62×38R load similar to
Fiocchi's, originally under the "HotShot" brand but now under the standard Prvi
Partizan label.

Most commercially loaded ammunition for the Nagant, including Fiocchi and the
"????"-marked yellow box imports, are target ammunition, and do not have great
stopping power. The low power of these rounds has given the Nagant a reputation
as an underpowered sidearm. However, the original military ball cartridges
fired bullets in the 6.5 g (100 grains) range at up to 330 m/s (1,100 ft/s),
making them close to the .32-20 Winchester and .32 H&R Magnum in power. These
original military ball rounds are very hard to find and are considered
collector's items.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9738mmR

rbowman

2013-06-11 13:59:32 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Perhaps a factor is the modern technique. I spent over half a century woth
the belief that the only people who used two hands on a revolver were little
ladies in old western movies.

RD Sandman

2013-06-11 20:51:55 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper
one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it for
this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits. See
page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

I hadn't either but then I got interested in the Rhino and started
reading about it. A standard revolver grip is not a problem with gases.
The problem comes from folks trying to hold it like a semi auto. The
Rhino not the standard revolver. You might get your finger bit when you
hold in a semi auto grip but with the cylinder gap at the top it won't
cut your finger off. I doubt it would with a Rhino either but why chance
it. I am 74 and am still rather fond of all my digits. ;)

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

Dire_Wolf

2013-06-12 01:43:49 UTC

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:51:55 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper
one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it for
this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits. See
page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Have you had a chance to fire the Rino? Interesting design.

RD Sandman

2013-06-12 16:08:59 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:51:55 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 12:18:17 -0500, RD Sandman

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c

A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper
one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it
for this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits.
See page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

I hadn't either but then I got interested in the Rhino and started
reading about it. A standard revolver grip is not a problem with
gases. The problem comes from folks trying to hold it like a semi
auto. The Rhino not the standard revolver. You might get your finger
bit when you hold in a semi auto grip but with the cylinder gap at the
top it won't cut your finger off. I doubt it would with a Rhino
either but why chance it. I am 74 and am still rather fond of all my
digits. ;)

Have you had a chance to fire the Rino? Interesting design.

Yes, indeed it is, but, no. I am looking for one to so with but I can
see spending 7-800 bucks simply to shoot one. Besides I carry for self
defense and I don't know about trusting that finger mechanism. It is
rather complicated compared to what I am used to. It would take a lot of
shooting to make me confident it would be there when I really needed it.
Regular revolvers I have been shooting for almost 60 years and carrying
off and on for over 50. Hunted deer, coyote and javelina with a .357 S&W
Highway Patrol with a scope on it. Got a few rounds through standard
revolvers.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

Old Air Force adage..The only time you have too
much fuel is when you are on fire!!

benj

2013-06-12 17:03:54 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf

Post by RD Sandman
A Chiappa Rhino fires from the bottom cylinder rather then the upper
one. In the manual is a warning about your grip when shooting it for
this very reason.....hot gases causing damage to your digits. See
page 15.
http://tinyurl.com/p4nfdwg

Thanks for the link. I'm 73 year old and was raised with guns. I'm
really stunned that I'm just now hearing of this. Never heard of
anyone being injured.

Have you had a chance to fire the Rino? Interesting design.

It is a very interesting design because the low barrel reduces the
"twist" recoil you get with a standard revolver that tries to twist it
out of your hand.

As for cylinder gap gases ripping your finger off, I'm skeptical. And I
say that having been injured from cylinder gap projectiles. In my case I
was at a range and a guy down a few stalls had a large revolver that
clearly had an alignment problem. When he fired, a shaved off piece of
lead shot out the side and struck me in the lip. No, unlike liberal
imagination when it comes to guns it did not "rip my face off". It just
cut my lip.

With a magnum revolver there is a pretty good blast of gases out the gap
and I'm sure you could get a nasty burn. But "rip your finger clean off"?
That is just liberal fantasy. "Mythbusters" are just typical TV goofs
making it all up as they go. They "bust myths" like all TV people do by
just coming up with something "plausible" rather than actual data. Blow
apart a stitched together chicken "hand"? Even then they had to wire the
"hand" all over the top of the gun to trap the gases. Real fingers are in
truth quite tough and hard to tear apart.

So, can you get an injury from escaping gases? I'm sure you can. Could
you "lose a finger" from it? Well, sure, if you include that you got a
nasty burn, the finger got infected and had to be removed. People lose
fingers from firecrackers. But given that the firecracker danger is
widely known and injuries not unheard of, while revolver finger loss
seems to have no cases but one. This story of hot gasses acting "just
like a cutting torch whacking off your finger" all sounds to me like
Liberal journalist fantasy.

The more scared everyone is of guns, the better, is their view.

Still keep your hands away because a nasty burn is no fun either.

WangoTango

2013-06-11 23:10:46 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis

Once upon a time, a guy used a pine tree as a rest for a .44mag
revolver. He leaned up against the tree to take aim at a distant deer
and ***BAM*** face full of pine bark shrapnel. Cylinder gap!

Dire_Wolf

2013-06-12 01:53:14 UTC

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:10:46 -0400, WangoTango

Post by WangoTango

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis

Once upon a time, a guy used a pine tree as a rest for a .44mag
revolver. He leaned up against the tree to take aim at a distant deer
and ***BAM*** face full of pine bark shrapnel. Cylinder gap!

LOL!! I caught a side blast from a hot loaded .44mag at 10 feet.
It stung a bit and put some powder burn holes in my T-shirt.
AFAIK the pistol was in perfect condition. I'll bet a poorly aligned
one could really get your attention. :-)

WangoTango

2013-06-12 23:12:58 UTC

Post by Dire_Wolf
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 19:10:46 -0400, WangoTango

Post by WangoTango

Post by Dire_Wolf
This is a new one on me. Fortunantly I kept my finger out of the way.
How Not To Shoot a Revolver ( Chapter 2 )
http://youtu.be/nucg5VAff4c
http://youtu.be/q57Q72uis

Once upon a time, a guy used a pine tree as a rest for a .44mag
revolver. He leaned up against the tree to take aim at a distant deer
and ***BAM*** face full of pine bark shrapnel. Cylinder gap!

It truly knocked the piss outta' me and I looked like someone slapped me
with sandpaper. I did have eye protection on, but at the angle the
shrapnel flew in at, it only helped a little.

Gunner Asch

2013-06-15 13:43:25 UTC